FFor Andrea Nahles, the news about Horst Seehofer's retreat comes at the wrong time. In the current crisis of the Great Coalition, two of the three party leaders of the coalition chief have announced the withdrawal. And the SPD chairman sits later on as a guest at Anne Will and has to answer the question of his own departure.
But Nahle's interpretation of the retreat is different: with CSU, the latest popular parties have now been renewed. She already counted on her takeover of the SPD presidency in April. "She definitely does not want to retire," says Nahles. "SPD has chosen so often and the things that could be clarified can not be clarified." This is a shortcut that did not bring anything.
With Horst Seehofer's announcement to withdraw from the CSU leadership, the debate about Anne Will begins on Sunday evening. The theme is the loss of the power of the people's party, the guests are also economists Peter Altmaier, Jürgen Trittin of Green, Christoph Schwennicke of Cicero and Politician Ursula Münch.
Trittin states that Seehofer, with the CSU Presidency, should also hand over the Ministry of the Interior. It is not automatic, against Altmaier. "Angela Merkel also remains chancellor until the end of the legislature," says CDU politician. Ursula Münch points out that although the chancellor decides who is a member of his cabinet. But CSU is likely to create pressure to equip the new chairman with a post in Berlin.
Easy to seehofer can then go as home minister, nahles is not. She is silent, then answers: "Let's see what's coming". The most promising candidate for his mission is Bayern's Prime Minister Markus Söder – and Nahles and Söder have been busy since they began their political career in youth organizations Juso and JU. "It worked so," she says about the relationship.
Does Kramp-Karrenbauer have the necessary hardness?
"The new beginning is delayed," said Cicero editor Schwennicke. Seehofer's departure was already apparent after Bavaria's choice – and the Hesse result had also included Merkel. Now CDU rules her succession – another topic in the discussion.
The candidates Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer and Friedrich Merz appear differently than previously known: Merz social, Kramp-Karrenbauer more conservative. How credible is it, asks Anne Will.
"If you want to become a CDU chairman or chairman, you have to serve different subjects," said Münch. "CDU is still a people's party." Schwennicke also finds that Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer has to show firmness for a successful candidacy, as previously considered and "mini-Merkel".
Kramp-Karrenbauer has already delivered it. It has called for a ban on entry for asylum seekers who have become criminals for the entire Schengen area and has not in principle ruled out expulsion to Syria. "I think it's completely irresponsible to send people there," says Jürgen Trittin. "Sachpolitisch Jag does not take it seriously." The proposal would only help AfD.
Altmaier emphasizes that candidates have performed well before the candidate. Kramp-Karrenbauer, as Minister for the Interior of Saarland, has had tough positions. Merz is targeting Helmuth Kohl or even Joschka Fischer in European politics. "The people should not be divided," says the Minister of Economy. "There will not be a directional decision."
"The people have lost contact with the people"
Possibly, the dispute over the CDU's direction after the festival conference in Hamburg simply continues, feared Nahles and Trittin. The Greensman reminds Gerhard Schröder and Oskar Lafontaine, whose fate proved that divorce of party leadership and chancellor does not last for a long time.
Cicero chief editor Schwennicke believes that a Merz election could provide clearer clarity between the Union and the SPD. Anne Will's team asked their members for CDU candidates in the SPD debate mode. The result: SPahn and Kramp-Karrenbauer, SPD can work best together, Merz works best – and thus strengthens SPD. Nahles does not want to comment on these thoughts, make no sense.
The end is basically about the decline of popular parties – a discussion that has often been conducted with appropriate analysis and arguments. These include a look at other European countries, a comparison with the Weimar Republic and the reference to the different and individualistic society that has become German.
Another statement by the political scientist Münch: "The popular parties have lost the reference in the people". One reason is a professionalization in the election campaign at the expense of the members. "The parties act as government apparatus."
Protects SPDD's left print GroKo?
Therefore, Andrea Nahles assures that they again join the members and voters again strongly. "Back to the roots, it means for me to do more grassroots work again," she says. But then you follow the usual phrases in recent years: focus on topics. Good material work. Social justice. So what SPD has been doing for years and what the voter still does not reward.
Nahles promises a general review of the welfare state until 2025. Self-employed workers and civil servants should pay into the pension insurance, she claims. The basic security should be relocated, which means that SPD, Hartz IV, is behind. It's not in the coalition agreement, Altmaier replies immediately.
Does SPD's left-wing pressure make the big coalition more difficult? No, Nahles says. "If we carry out the projects well together, the coalition can work well until the end of the legislature," said the SPD chairman. "The big tension in the air is if it will succeed."